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Posted Sep 8, 2010 12:50pm
Zanna_large After a long, drawn out election process (and some even longer, more drawn out speeches from the Independents), we finally have a government! There is so much to think about- Australia's first elected female prime minister, changing loyalties from the Independents...Perhaps most exciting, a significant focus on the needs of regional Australians. How do we all feel about the result? Was the right decision made? What is likely to happen or change as a result of the Labor victory?

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Posted Sep 8, 2010 2:47pm
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It will be interesting to see whether this actually has an effect on party politics.  From the sounds of the coalition this morning they're going to continue to snipe away as oppositions always do.  There does seem to be an opportunity for policies to be discussed much more fully, and for parliament to be more open to debate, than every decision just being run through the caucus.  It would be stimulating to have proper policy discussions in the media on certain issues.

And this does seem like a big win for regional Australia.  I was impressed with Tony Windor's foucs on broadband and renewable energy in his speech - seems quite forward thinking.

Steve Bracks formed a minority Government in Victoria with the support of independants, and although he found it hard work, on reflection he thinks that the policies that came out of that process were more solid for having being thorughly argued and though through.

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Posted Sep 8, 2010 4:14pm
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Cbere, settle down. She was NOT elected.  She was installed by those two independents.  She did not win the primary vote, she did not win the 2PP, she did not win the most seats.  She cobbled a deal with two useful idiots to stay in power.   She is an illegitimate leader.  She is a fake, a farce, a joke and a backstabber.

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Posted Sep 8, 2010 5:08pm
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No doubt someone will have a go at me for posting twice but this is relevant here as David expects to see open discussion and fair play and things not just put through caucus.

This is the way JG discusses climate change and carbon pricing.

.As we would expect, the climate change "committee" that Julia Gillard will set up in agreement with the Greens will be stacked with warmists, and there won't be a sceptic within 20 miles. From the ABC's 7.30 Report last night

JULIA GILLARD: Well, in the spirit of including people, Kerry, it's not for me to dictate. But what I would like to see from that committee is that we can genuinely include, across the Parliament, people who believe climate change is real and who believe we will only reduce carbon pollution and meet our 2020 targets if we price carbon. And then with all of those people in the room, we'd work through to look for the points of agreement.

Just read that sentence again: The committee will be formed from "people who believe climate change is real and who believe we will only reduce carbon pollution and meet our 2020 targets if we price carbon." So what on earth is the point of this committee other than to rubber stamp a decision already made?

Hardly a democratic process.

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Posted Sep 8, 2010 5:16pm
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Snappy, I'm not sure that I'm the one who needs to settle down. ;)

You may be right to take issue with how Gillard came to be PM. I am still curious about your opinions and predictions, now that the ALP is in government.

 

 

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Posted Sep 8, 2010 6:14pm
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Of course Julia was elected as PM, it's not a presidency, the people don't elect the leader, they elect local members, the party memberships elect  their respective leaders and the Government is formed by the party which can form a working majority: the way things stood at the end of counting, neither party had the numbers on their own merit and the Gillard team appeared the more attractive option to the lads who would have otherwise been ignored on the cross benches.

I have a feeling that the country independants disliked how rudely insistant some of the more conservative members of the coalition were trying to bully them into submission, I know if I were in thier position that alone would have made me think twice

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Posted Sep 9, 2010 6:14am
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Snappy sorry. 

Labor will struggle with their very thin majority margin:  even more so due to the large political spectrum of the members, although Windsor and Slapshott claim to be conservative they are really socialists.  They are a couple of R Swipes imho.  Why not nail your colours to the mast?  Fools like these two who ignore their electorates make democracy that much harder.

 

The good thing about the government is that the Greens will finally get the scrutiny they deserve, if Tony Abbott is half smart.

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Posted Sep 9, 2010 6:17am
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Cyndy,

Their electorates are largely conservative.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it baby.

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Posted Sep 9, 2010 8:51am
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I don't smoke, and frankly acting like a pack of schoolyard thugs isn't endearing me to the present coalition; when I was a kid that sort of behaviour was the domain of the hard left and union officials, but over the last decade or two it has gradually become an accepted part of rightwing politics.  I have no time for thuggish behaviour, no matter what the politics behind it.

Anyway, as a genuine centrist, I have been very impressed with the thoughtful dignity Windsor and Oakeshott went about their decision.

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Posted Sep 10, 2010 11:31am
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Try looking at this site below. I fully understand what they are saying after the hystrionics of the Coalition in their news grabs.

This minority government can be good fro our country but the Coalition have a "Right to Rule" attitude.  The other problem is the media generally back the Coalition.... International and National Media forces are trying to steal our democracy.

The Coalition 2 Party Preferred gained only 50% of the vote not a majority.


http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/09/08/let-the-great-unhinging-begin/

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